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Tuesday, January 25, 2022

Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class - January 24, 2022

 


Of course, as usual, we had a fun and lively and interesting discussion!

It was a smaller group than usual, but that made it possible for everyone to easily give input to our studies and discussion.  Jo Ann, David, Dave, Karen, Odette, Diana, Alain, and Dan (while he was driving to Long Beach via his phone) attended.  We missed Randy and Robin and Cindy and also some of the others that drop in once in a while.

We read the rest of Chapter 1 starting with verse 12 in James and all of Chapter 2.

Some things that stood out included verse 22 of Chapter 2 that talked about being doers of the word, not just hearers.  David explained what “the word” is. It can be in reference to God.

Karen shared that she loves verse 25 in Chapter 1 which talks about just not hearing the word, but doing what it suggests.

We talked about verse 14 in chapter two that talks about faith without works.  We compared the Orthodox Jewish acts of mitzvahs to the good deeds that are done by Christians.

In Chapter 3, there was a discussion about not elevating the well-dressed and rich over the poor.  Jo Ann shared about how in the early part of her’s and Dan’s marriage, that when they shared a house, that they took in and fed strangers.  

We talked about how Temple Israel does not favor anyone based on wealth or clothes and also that we can come to the temple dressed any way that is comfortable, but David did mention that at Torah study there had once been a time when certain people were given seats next to the rabbi.  Odette explained now that we are under COVID restrictions, that the area by the rabbi is left open during Torah study.

David told us about the seven Noahide principles which are similar to the 10 Commandments.  Dave read the seven principles to us out loud.  

The Seven Laws
  • Not to worship idols.
  • Not to curse God.
  • Not to commit murder.
  • Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
  • Not to steal.
  • Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
  • To establish courts of justice.

Alain brought up the term Father from verse 27 in Chapter 1 which refers to God.  David helped us understand the different terms used when referring to God.  We agreed the term “Father” is not used in Jewish settings.  We also talked about how God is rarely considered a female.

Again, if there is anything I forgot in this summary, please add to it.

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  • Tuesday, January 18, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class - January 17, 2022


    It seems like our discussions are just getting better and better!  Jo Ann, Dan, Karen, Merill, Dave, David, Odette, Robin, Randy, and Alain attended.  I think one of the reason the discussions are becoming more lively and interesting is the group as a whole are getting to know one another better and are getting more and more comfortable about sharing thoughts, experiences, and insights.

    We read the introduction to the Book of James that is in the Jewish Annotated New Testament first, so most of discussion was about who actually wrote the book of James and that the Hebrew translation for the name James is Jacob.  (Interesting side note:  The Hebrew translation of Jesus’ name is Joshua.  Actually, the Greek translation of the name Joshua is Jesus.)

    We wondered if James was truly the brother of Jesus.  There was talk he was Jesus’ twin brother, but how could that be if Jesus was conceived by immaculate conception?  But..the Catholic Church does not think that James was the brother of Jesus in any way.  They believe Jesus was Mary’s only child.

    And…how could an illiterate man write the Book of James at all?

    We sidetracked a bit and talked about the Christian practice of communion.  We discussed with Merrill how communion is done in the Catholic Church and Jo Ann shared some amusing communion stories.  For example, a Baptist version of The Lord’s Supper sure is a little meal from a Jewish point of view!  Why would supper be served at 10 am on a Sunday morning?  Communion is based on the last supper that Jesus participated with his disciples and looks similar to the Jewish kiddish ceremony but the two rituals are dramatically different.

    Alain was interested in reading the actual text, so finally, we began reading James Chapter One, but we didn’t get all that far since we ran out of time.  We will continue from verse 12 next week.  One of the verses mentioned doubt, and Alain commented that doubt is a very Jewish thing.

    A lot more was said.  Dan had quite a lot of history to share and so did David.  

    Again, if I forgot to mention anything, please comment.


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  • Tuesday, January 11, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From Jewish Point of View Class - January 10, 2022



    We had another lively and fun discussion on Monday, January 10, 2022.  Jo Ann, Dan, Karen, Odette, Randy, Robin, Dave, Diana, David, Merrill, and Alain attended.  It was the first time Alain joined us and we were so glad he took part in our group.

    Below is a summary Dan wrote right after the class:

    “We surveyed the last chapter of the Paul’s letter to the Romans, Romans 16. In this section Paul sends closing greetings to people he knew in Rome. Robin pointed out that Tertius, the scribe who actually physically wrote the letter, sent a greeting.

    One of the topics discussed was what light this chapter shed on the role of women in this early Christian community. There was a contrast, regarding the status of women,  between this writing and another letter, I Timothy. Although Paul in Romans did not directly address the status of women, he did greet several women in this passage for whom he obviously had great respect. One woman he greeted held the office of deacon, another, the position of apostle.  In I Timothy, women were told to be silent in church and that women must never teach with authority over men. The subordinate role of women in I Timothy seems to align more closely with both Greco Roman and ancient Jewish views than what is surmised from Romans chapter 16. Dan mentioned that he had read that some of the letters in the New Testament ascribed to Paul were written by other people and that I Timothy is one of those letters.

    David pointed out that the Talmud had less mention of women than the Tanach did. He said there was only one female scholar mentioned in the entire Talmud, versus women such as Miriam, Deborah, Abigail, Ruth, Esther, etc., of the Tanach.” 

    Jo Ann noticed that some of the names Paul mentions in Romans Chapter 16 are really long and strange names, but some names are still used today.  Narcissis and Rufus were even used! That is where the term “Narcissist” comes from Dan explained.  He was a character that fell in love with himself.  Also…who, besides dogs, are named Rufus today?

    Jo Ann also remembered a biblical fiction novel she read years ago called Priscilla and Aquila that made an entire story about some of the people Paul sent greetings to in this last chapter of Romans.  

    We are done with the book of Romans now and will skip to James now.  Next week we will read the introduction to James in the Jewish Annotated New Testament.   After James, we may discuss some of the essays in the back of the Jewish Annotated New Testament.

    Please add anything you can to this summary.

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  • Tuesday, January 4, 2022

    Summary - New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class 1/3/2022

    Dr. Lori Baron PHD, Assistant Professor of New Testament Theological Studies, St. Louis University Visited Our Class on 1-4-2022

    Monday, January 3, 2022 again was a great class!  

    What made this particular class extra special was the Dr. Lori Baron, Assistant Professor of New Testament Theological Studies, St. Louis University, joined us and visited us!  Lori, come back again soon!  

    Jo Ann, Dan, Merrill, Dave, Karen, Cindy, Robin, Randy, Odette and Lori attended.

    We took a bit of time introducing ourselves to Lori.

    Then….

    Cindy read Romans Chapter 15 aloud.  

    After reading the chapter, we asked Lori for commentary and she gave us an incredible summary of all of Romans.  She explained how confusing the book of Romans is.  

    Lori showed us how Paul refers to obscure verses in the Old Testament randomly.  He says gentiles don’t have to become Jewish to become Christians (which sounds absurd today). 

    She had us look at some of the related notes in the Jewish Annotated New Testament.  She also had us look at page 285 in the Jewish Annotated New Testament, which explains Romans.  The letter to Romans was intended for Christ following gentiles to give them guidance on how to live.  Paul suggested that they live their lives with Jewish guidelines without becoming Jews.

    Lori referred to the promise in the Tanach that at the end of days the gentiles would come to worship the God of Israel. Paul understood his success in converting gentiles to Christianity to be fulfillment of that promise.

    There was so much information Lori gave us, that there is no way I can remember all of it.  What I did learn is that Romans is one of the more difficult letters of Paul’s to understand.

    We learned that Paul just wanted the Jews and gentiles who believed in Jesus to get along.

    We decided to next look into the book of James after we complete Romans Chapter 16 rather than going on to Corinthians.  We may after James, skip to Revelation (with the help from a book called Revelation for Dummies.  

    A friend who teaches at a Jewish Day school in Irvine said this about the book of James which Dan suggests we perhaps study next:

    James is very Jewy. Except for one sentence about Jesus as "Lord of glory" it has nothing distinctively Christian about it. He calls the gathering place the synagogue. The book is a moral meditation. It may have been written partly to contradict Paul because it speaks of deeds vs faith alone. See what your Jewish NT commentary book says about that. However, it is not typical of the NT for all those reasons. The NT as we have it is a Paul dominated collection.  The name James in Greek is yakobos = Jacob. How it came into English as James, I do not understand.

    Please add anything you can to this summary.

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