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Monday, March 7, 2022

Summary - New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class 3/7/2022


Below is a summary of what my husband Dan wrote about what went on at our New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class which took place on Monday, March 7, 2022:

Temple Israel New Testament from a Jewish perspective, Monday, March 7, 2022

I Corinthians chapter 3

Jo Ann, Karen, Robin, Odette, David, Dave, Nadine and Dan attended.

In this passage the apostle Paul addresses the Christians in Corinth as “infants” in their Christian experience because of their unspiritual “fleshly” ways of quarrelling, etc.

Jo Ann was interested in the language Paul uses of “flesh” and “spirit”. Odette addressed the analogy Paul draws of an architect constructing a building, specifically the reference to gold and other precious materials. It reminded her of the construction of the Tabernacle. Robin wondered if the language about a structure being tested by being set on fire may have been a reference to or a prophecy about the destruction of the Second Temple which was still a future event at the time of this writing.

Karen drew on her experiences of being “shamed” by other people and of the reference to Paul saying people are like a “temple.” Shaming someone who is a person is shaming God’s temple, and is therefore wrong. Dave discussed what Paul wrote at the end of this chapter saying that “Christ belongs to God” and it’s apparent contradiction to the present day understanding of the Christian Trinity.

Jo Ann addressed the idea of “baby Christians” and wondered if there is such a thing as a “baby Jew.” This led David into a discussion of stereotypes of converts of all religions and specifically stereotypes of Jewish converts.

At some point the description of Donald Trump by some evangelicals (including James Dobson) as a “baby Christian” was brought up. I doubt few if any present bought that description.

Some interesting movies from the 1980s about young people being recruited by religious cults were mentioned. A discussion of the practice of proselytizing brought a funny story from Odette about her encounter with some Jehovah’s Witnesses that ended when the JW’s declined to help her dig her car out of the snow.

(Jo Ann summarized the movie Ticket to Heaven where a young Jewish man gets sucked into a religious cult.)

We ended up talking about Chabad and Rabbi Perlmutter’s eloquence. We all admired Robin’s beautiful singing voice as we sang the Misheberach Jewish healing prayer for Merrill.

Again, if anything in this summary has not been mentioned, please add to it.  We will study1st Corinthians Chapter 4 next week.

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    Wednesday, March 2, 2022

    Summary New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class 2/28/2022


    Of course, and again, we had a fun discussion!  Dan, Jo Ann, Karen, David, Robin, Odette, and Nadine attended.  We read 1st Corinthians Chapter Two.

    Before we began, Jo Ann decided that it might be fun to do some sort of opening “prayer” so Dan led us in singing “Give Us That Old Time Religion!”

    Below is a summary Dan wrote up about what we talked about:

    ‘What is the meaning of “spiritual”?  We read this word a lot in 1 Corinthians 2 and I believe that most of us listening considered ourselves to be reasonably “spiritual” people. But it was mentioned, I believe by Robin,  that Paul seemed to imply that only people who believed in the death and resurrection of Jesus are spiritual. This passage concluded with not only the assertion that it is important to be spiritual but that these truths cannot be understood without being spiritual. 

    We had a discussion of the “gift of discernment” and Karen mentioned that she was trying to be discerning as she read about developments in the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

    Dan mentioned that this letter by Paul of Tarsus was a “snapshot” of a certain point in the development of early Christians and that later churches had less emphasis of the “spiritual gifts” and instead developed leadership structures that were similar to that of the Roman government.

    Input is requested to supply more information as to what more was said during our session that lasted more than an hour.’

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  • Monday, February 21, 2022

    Summary New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class 2/21/2022

    Today was the President’s Day holiday, but we held our Monday class anyway.  We were a small group but our discussion was as lively as ever!  Jo Ann, Dan, Arlene, Karen, David, Robin, and Dave attended.  We learned Merill and Odette were having medical procedures done that morning, so we sang the Misheberach healing prayer song as we thought of them.  

    We read the introduction to 1st Corinthians from the Jewish Annotated New Testament and we also read the first chapter of 1st Corrinthians.

    We learned that Jews are only mentioned four times in 1st Corinthians!  Jo Ann said, “Well it might be hard to study this from a Jewish perspective if Jews are mentioned so rarely in this book.”

    We learned that Paul was addressing quarrels and strife within the church.  Also, in the introduction, we learned that Chapter 14 was against women serving in leadership in the church and there is speculation that Paul may have not actually wrote those verses in that chapter since he was supportive of women leaders in other places in 1st Corinthians.

    We also read some input from Dan and Jo Ann’s friend, Dr. Joshua Moss who teaches at a Jewish Day School in Irvine.  Dr. Moss said that Paul did not say he physically saw Jesus, but rather saw Jesus in the form of visions.  Paul said that resurrected bodies are “spiritual bodies” and Dr. Moss noted that the stories of the empty tomb and the physical resurrection of Jesus came later.

    We talked about speaking in tongues.  It is uncomfortable to be in a church where speaking in tongues occurs if one is not used to it.

    Arlene visited us for the first time and was honest and told us she is a Christian. She was curious about why we as Jews wished to read and study the New Testament if we did not believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior and God.  David explained that as Jews we wish to learn about the world’s major religion.  

    Karen shared that she is a Jewish believer, a.k.a., Christian.  Jo Ann talked about how Jews for Jesus at one time (not sure what they do now) referred to Jewish believing Christians, Jewish Believers, as JBs and unbelieving Jews as UJs.  

    Jo Ann tried to get Dan to help her sing Charity by Kenn Gullikson from 1 Corinthians 13, but when Dan would not do it, she sang the first part of the song to the group.  Dan promised he will look up the words and help Jo Ann sing the whole thing when we get to 1 Corinthians 13.

    Again, if I forgot anything, please add to this summary.

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  • Monday, February 7, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class 2/7/2022



    Of course, again, we had a wonderful discussion on Monday, February 7, 2022.  Jo Ann, Dan, Robin, Nadine, Karen, David, Dave, Odette, Joel, and Merill attended.

    We decided to read 1st and 2nd Corinthians after we complete the book of James.  (We only have one more chapter in James to study now.)  We’ll leave Revelation for another time.  

    Below is a summary of what we studied written by Dan:

    We studied the fourth chapter of the book of James from the New Testament.

    Parts of the chapter seemed harsh and judgmental, which seemed to be some form of hyperbole. The section changed from condemnation to “grace”, which ended with the words “humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord and He will lift you up.”

    "Do not boast about tomorrow" is a major admonition we spent some time discussing, citing various sources for comment. A favorite was “man plans, God laughs.” The milkman Tevye from Fiddler on the Roof seemed to agree.

    We had a lengthy discussion about children and the importance of both teaching and being an example of good morals and manners to them.

    We looked up a verse in Proverbs 22:6. “Train a child up in the way he should go and he will not depart from it.

    Kids need to be grateful these days.

    Joel talked about how young people today have so much that they forget to be grateful for what they have and want more and more.  

    Jo Ann, Karen and Dan sang the song “Humble Thyself in the sight of the Lord” near the end of the study.

    Again, add anything to this summary.


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  • Tuesday, February 1, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class - January 31, 2022


    I always say we had the greatest discussion every each week, and today’s discussion was no exception!

    Jo Ann, Karen, Dan, David, Diana, Dave, Robin, Merrill, and Nadine attended.  It was Nadine’s first time joining us and it was great to have her!

    My husband Dan wrote a summary below of what went on:

    We read through the entire third chapter of the book of James in the New Testament. We discussed the admonition as to the importance of controlling “the tongue”, and that teachers should do so especially since they “…will be judged more strictly”. Dan brought up the saying from chapter two of the book of James “faith without works is dead”, and the idea found in chapter three of judgement. Part of the reason we decided to read the book of James was to hear a different voice in the New Testament after reading Paul’s letter to the Romans. 

    We got into a discussion of books that were included in the New Testament that said they were written by the apostle Paul, but most likely were written by later believers in Jesus. David discussed the practice of writing letters “in the name of” someone other than the actual writer, and compared it to the Talmud where the phrase “in the name of” is frequently used, without controversy. 

    From Jo Ann:

    In addition to what Dan has summarized we noticed that James suggests being good.  From there, we talked about people we have encountered who are Jewish who strive to live good lives.  We thought about how sometimes not all Christians do good or are good.  (Of course, not all Jews are good or do good either.) 

    It was mentioned that it seems like our temple clergy always is so positive!

    I don’t remember why, but Jo Ann and Dan showed off some of their sign language skills.

    Please feel free to respond and add more to this, since there was a lot discussed that was likely left out of this summary.  Only two more chapters left in James!

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  • Please feel free to respond to this, since there was a lot discussed that was likely left out of this summary.


    Tuesday, January 25, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class - January 24, 2022

     


    Of course, as usual, we had a fun and lively and interesting discussion!

    It was a smaller group than usual, but that made it possible for everyone to easily give input to our studies and discussion.  Jo Ann, David, Dave, Karen, Odette, Diana, Alain, and Dan (while he was driving to Long Beach via his phone) attended.  We missed Randy and Robin and Cindy and also some of the others that drop in once in a while.

    We read the rest of Chapter 1 starting with verse 12 in James and all of Chapter 2.

    Some things that stood out included verse 22 of Chapter 2 that talked about being doers of the word, not just hearers.  David explained what “the word” is. It can be in reference to God.

    Karen shared that she loves verse 25 in Chapter 1 which talks about just not hearing the word, but doing what it suggests.

    We talked about verse 14 in chapter two that talks about faith without works.  We compared the Orthodox Jewish acts of mitzvahs to the good deeds that are done by Christians.

    In Chapter 3, there was a discussion about not elevating the well-dressed and rich over the poor.  Jo Ann shared about how in the early part of her’s and Dan’s marriage, that when they shared a house, that they took in and fed strangers.  

    We talked about how Temple Israel does not favor anyone based on wealth or clothes and also that we can come to the temple dressed any way that is comfortable, but David did mention that at Torah study there had once been a time when certain people were given seats next to the rabbi.  Odette explained now that we are under COVID restrictions, that the area by the rabbi is left open during Torah study.

    David told us about the seven Noahide principles which are similar to the 10 Commandments.  Dave read the seven principles to us out loud.  

    The Seven Laws
    • Not to worship idols.
    • Not to curse God.
    • Not to commit murder.
    • Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.
    • Not to steal.
    • Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.
    • To establish courts of justice.

    Alain brought up the term Father from verse 27 in Chapter 1 which refers to God.  David helped us understand the different terms used when referring to God.  We agreed the term “Father” is not used in Jewish settings.  We also talked about how God is rarely considered a female.

    Again, if there is anything I forgot in this summary, please add to it.

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  • Tuesday, January 18, 2022

    Summary of New Testament From a Jewish Point of View Class - January 17, 2022


    It seems like our discussions are just getting better and better!  Jo Ann, Dan, Karen, Merill, Dave, David, Odette, Robin, Randy, and Alain attended.  I think one of the reason the discussions are becoming more lively and interesting is the group as a whole are getting to know one another better and are getting more and more comfortable about sharing thoughts, experiences, and insights.

    We read the introduction to the Book of James that is in the Jewish Annotated New Testament first, so most of discussion was about who actually wrote the book of James and that the Hebrew translation for the name James is Jacob.  (Interesting side note:  The Hebrew translation of Jesus’ name is Joshua.  Actually, the Greek translation of the name Joshua is Jesus.)

    We wondered if James was truly the brother of Jesus.  There was talk he was Jesus’ twin brother, but how could that be if Jesus was conceived by immaculate conception?  But..the Catholic Church does not think that James was the brother of Jesus in any way.  They believe Jesus was Mary’s only child.

    And…how could an illiterate man write the Book of James at all?

    We sidetracked a bit and talked about the Christian practice of communion.  We discussed with Merrill how communion is done in the Catholic Church and Jo Ann shared some amusing communion stories.  For example, a Baptist version of The Lord’s Supper sure is a little meal from a Jewish point of view!  Why would supper be served at 10 am on a Sunday morning?  Communion is based on the last supper that Jesus participated with his disciples and looks similar to the Jewish kiddish ceremony but the two rituals are dramatically different.

    Alain was interested in reading the actual text, so finally, we began reading James Chapter One, but we didn’t get all that far since we ran out of time.  We will continue from verse 12 next week.  One of the verses mentioned doubt, and Alain commented that doubt is a very Jewish thing.

    A lot more was said.  Dan had quite a lot of history to share and so did David.  

    Again, if I forgot to mention anything, please comment.


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